Legislature(2009 - 2010)FAHRENKAMP 203
01/27/2010 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION
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SB 221-LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE ON HIGHER ED
8:01:07 AM
CO-CHAIR MEYER announced consideration of SB 221 establishing an
advisory task force on higher education in the legislative
branch of government.
SENATOR STEVENS said he brought the bill forward as a direct
result of having read the book Crossing the Finish Line by
William G. Bowen. Although Senator Stevens was a professor at
the University for 25 years, he was shocked to read the
statistics and conclusions Bowen makes regarding college
completion in this country. Our universities, including the
University of Alaska for which the legislature has enormous
responsibility, have been dedicated to equal opportunity and
affordability; they've played a crucial role in building our
country's human capital. It is a sobering fact however, that
less than 60 percent of the students who enter a four-year
college in America today are graduating. The taskforce created
by this bill will be charged with finding out why this is
happening and what we can do about it here in Alaska.
Almost the first sentence in Bowen's book is "Educational
attainment in the United States today is highly consequential."
There are enormous consequences from getting an education and
more from failing to do so. People with Bachelor's Degrees earn
60 percent more during their lifetimes than those who have only
a high school diploma, which means higher tax revenues to the
country. College graduates also live healthier and longer lives.
They rely less on the social programs that we spend so much
money on like welfare and Medicaid, saving the state and the
nation significant amounts of money. They participate more in
civic activities such as voting, running for the legislature,
giving to charities and donating blood. By improving college
access and success, Alaska will increase these individual,
economic, and societal benefits.
8:04:14 AM
Crossing the Finish Line is a great title for this book. It is
an analogy that getting a postsecondary education is like
running a foot race; many compete but some 40 percent fall by
the wayside. They do that for good and valid reasons. Some are
simply not prepared for college life, they haven't the reading
skills or the English or the math to compete in college. They
may lack the intellectual support from their families; they may
come from a family that has no history of education and
consequently does not support a child going on to college. They
may have insurmountable financial difficulties, or it may be a
simple matter of not knowing how to manage their time. There are
a lot of reasons that students don't cross the finish line.
SENATOR STEVENS concluded, what they are trying to do with this
task force is to identify those reasons and frankly, he doesn't
expect any surprises. Remedial education is certainly important
to make up for what students missed in high school or even grade
school, but helping students to prepare for college by taking
classes that don't count toward college graduation is expensive
to them and to the state. Counseling and advising is another
problem; preparing students for what they're going to face and
integrating them into the social life on campus is very
important in order for them to be happy and successful. All of
those things are important to helping students stay in college
and cross the finish line. So not only do we want to identify
the reasons students don't graduate, we want to find the
solutions, to analyze the trends here in Alaska and the data on
student success, to create a plan to decrease the need for
remedial education, and to increase student retention and
graduation. The hard work of the proposed task force, he said,
should help the educational community prepare Alaskan students
for their future which, quite frankly, is our future.
8:06:50 AM
TIM LAMKIN, staff to Senator Stevens, explained that SB 221
establishes a task force comprised of 13 members: the Governor,
the executive director of the ACPE, the Department of Education,
the president of the University of Alaska, the School Boards,
NEA-Alaska, the chair persons of both the House and Senate
committees with jurisdiction over education, a member who
represents private colleges in the state, members representing
postsecondary educational institutions not affiliated with the
university, and three members who have specialized skill or
knowledge in the area of remediation. The task force will
assemble at least every three months over the next year and
compile a report on March 1, 2011. It will sunset at the end of
the next fiscal year.
8:08:35 AM
BRENDA BAUTSCH, a Policy Specialist with the National Conference
of State Legislatures (NCSL) focusing on higher education
issues, offered a presentation on how Alaska compares to other
states and the nation regarding retention and graduation rates.
MS. BAUTSCH recognized that Alaska serves a very non-traditional
student population. Slide 2 shows statistics from the University
of Alaska, Anchorage, where 55 percent of students are full-time
and 45 percent are part-time. That is a very high percentage of
part-time students. Ten percent of students are American Indian
or Alaska Native and 44 percent are over the age of 25. That is
a very high number of older students. The University of Alaska
is an "open access university", which means that the campus
might be serving students who don't have sufficient academic
preparation and may need remedial course work.
8:10:22 AM
MS. BAUTSCH said slide 3 depicts the retention rate by state for
first-time college freshman returning for their second year at a
four-year institution. The U.S. average is 75.5 percent;
Alaska's average is 66.6 percent, putting Alaska fifth from the
bottom in the state ranking of retention rates for students at
four-year institutions.
8:10:53 AM
Slide 4 reflects retention rates for both full-time and part-
time students at two-year institutions. For this statistic, the
U.S. average is 53 percent and the Alaska average is 47.6
percent, putting Alaska sixth from the bottom.
8:11:20 AM
Slide 5 shows three-year graduation rates for Associate
students, taking into account only first-time, full-time
students. The U.S. average is 27.8 percent and the Alaska
average is 24.1 percent, putting us in the middle of the pack on
this statistic.
8:11:52 AM
MS. BAUTSCH said that the six-year graduation rate for
Bachelor's Degree students on slide 6 shows the U.S. average is
56.1 percent, while Alaska is at the bottom in the state ranking
with only 22.4 percent of students graduating with a Bachelor's
Degree within six years. The eight-year statistic jumps up to
around 30 percent.
8:12:36 AM
Alaska is not the only state with problems; every state has its
own battle and many have created higher education task forces to
tackle the problem and find solutions.
8:12:53 AM
Slide 8 lists some examples of recent legislative higher
education task forces in: Arizona, Arkansas, Illinois,
Massachusetts, Minnesota and South Carolina. She noted that NCSL
had its own task force in 2006, the Blue Ribbon Commission on
Higher Education, which was comprised of 12 legislators from
different states. These task forces all vary in their focus. For
example, South Carolina's focus was very broad, covering all
things related to higher education, whereas Minnesota's was
specific to funding for their public institutions.
8:13:38 AM
MS. BAUTSCH said that because this bill is modeled on the
Arkansas task force, she included some information about that on
slides 9 and 10. The Arkansas Task Force was focused on higher
education, remediation, retention and graduation rates. It was
formed in 2007 and held 16 meetings at which various
stakeholders presented members with comprehensive testimony and
information. From all of those hearings, a final report was
developed and released in August 2008.
The task force chair was Representative Johnnie Roebuck, who did
a great job of following up on the recommendations and keeping
track of the results. So far, 22 Acts have been signed that are
related to the task force recommendations, and several policies
and programs not requiring legislation have been implemented.
8:14:38 AM
Slide 10 presents an excerpt from Arkansas' spreadsheet of
efforts addressing task force recommendations. The way they have
followed through is quite impressive.
8:15:18 AM
MS. BAUTSCH concluded by providing her contact information on
slide 11 and offering to answer any questions the committee may
have going forward.
8:15:35 AM
CO-CHAIR MEYER opened the meeting to general questions from the
committee.
SENATOR OLSON asked what the committee can expect to find that
hasn't already been found by all of the other task forces
nationwide that have been looking at this issue. He questioned
the expenditure of money for a task force to find answers they
may be able to get from the work of other states.
8:16:35 AM
SENATOR STEVENS admitted Senator Olson is right; many other
studies have come up with the conclusion that students have to
spend too much time taking remediation classes in college. That
tells him that colleges and universities have to be aligned with
the high schools and even middle schools; that is why the
Commissioner of Education is on this task force. They need to
work with public education to find out how to align the
university's requirements with what is happening in high school.
There are many ways to involve students when they go to college.
Some universities have a month-long program during the summer
before college to do remedial education, help students learn how
to manage their time, and teach them how to study. Some others
have an orientation week before classes start. The biggest
problem is that students drop out most often after their first
year, but also after their sophomore and junior years. The
important thing is to learn what the issues are here in Alaska,
whether they are the same as those in other states and, even
more, what it will take to get those kids across the finish
line.
SENATOR STEVENS pointed out that one thing they haven't dealt
with is how the country compares with the rest of the world. At
one time the U.S. brought a lot of scientists in from foreign
countries; the U.S. was a beacon to graduate students around the
world, but that isn't true any more. The U.S. is going to have
to produce its own engineers, scientists and mathematicians.
8:20:01 AM
He summarized, that there will be few surprises regarding what
they need to correct; they have to figure out how to go about
it. This task force is made up of pretty outstanding people who
can hopefully come up with solid recommendations; maybe it will
require money. He read a report in the Seattle Times that said a
husband and wife graduating from the University of Washington
medical school would graduate with $500,000 in debt. What jobs
can new physicians consider, he wondered, with that amount of
debt to cover. He thinks one result of this will be that they
have to take a serious look at how they can help students pay
for college.
8:21:10 AM
SENATOR OLSON commented that the makeup of the task force
includes a lot of very successful people. He wondered if any
consideration has been given to including someone on the task
force who has dropped out and can provide a different
perspective.
8:21:59 AM
SENATOR STEVENS conceded that Senator Olson has a good point. He
said he met with Larry LeDoux, Commissioner of Education,
yesterday about the makeup of this task force and Mr. LeDoux's
initial comment was "You don't have a student on this." He based
this task force on the Arkansas model, but said there is no
reason it can't be modified.
8:23:14 AM
SENATOR OLSON asked if the averages Ms. Bautsch provided for
first-time college students returning for a second year
represent Alaska students in total or only those attending the
University of Alaska. He pointed out that a large number of
students go outside the state for college.
8:24:00 AM
MS. BAUTSCH answered that these figures include only students
studying in Alaska's two and four-year public institutions.
8:24:20 AM
MR. LAMKIN said part of this task force's mission is to try to
address tracking for this type of information.
8:24:48 AM
CO-CHAIR THOMAS said there is the opportunity in the bill for
designees to the task force. He also opined that a factor
contributing to our poor position in the ratings might be
Alaska's challenges in communications.
8:26:09 AM
SENATOR STEVENS responded that he wants to make perfectly clear
that this is in no way critical of the University of Alaska.
Open enrollment does put us at a disadvantage in the statistics,
but he feels that it offers greater opportunity to older
students and others and does not think that should change.
8:27:40 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS asserted that the Alaska Commission on
Postsecondary Education has some of the traits of the proposed
task force and asked if they had considered giving Diane Barrans
the money to take this on.
8:28:31 AM
MR. LAMKIN directed Senator Huggins's attention to page 1, line
13 where it specifies the director of the ACPE or the director's
designee as one member of the task force.
SENATOR HUGGINS interjected that is his point; ACPE is similar
to the body they are proposing to create and Ms. Barrans is
already listed as a member of the task force. He wondered if
there has been any discussion of expanding the breadth and depth
of the Commission's responsibilities to include this task.
8:29:14 AM
SENATOR STEVENS said he'll be interested to hear what Ms.
Barrans has to say about that.
8:29:47 AM
SENATOR DAVIS thanked Senator Stevens for bringing this forward.
She was stunned by Brenda's presentation and the fact that we
are at bottom of the statistics for graduation in six years from
a four-year university. There is a great need for some input and
ideas. She believes that it is not as necessary to have people
on the task force who were not successful in college as it is
for the task force to solicit their input.
SENATOR DAVIS suggested that the committee consider an amendment
to include a student member on the task force. She also asked if
anyone could provide the numbers of students who graduated
within four years from a four-year university.
8:32:08 AM
SENATOR STEVENS commented that many of his students in Kodiak
were Coast Guard who were fully employed and working toward a
college degree. It took them many years, but he found it
admirable that they stuck to it and finished their degrees on
line and still considers these people successful.
He asserted that creating a position on the task force for
someone who is a "failure" doesn't seem like a good idea, but
did see the import of bringing in people with a lot of different
perspectives to testify. He also agreed that it is a good idea
to add a student representative.
8:33:51 AM
SENATOR DAVIS clarified that her request for numbers regarding
graduation within four years refers specifically to traditional
students coming right out of high school and going to college
full-time.
8:34:32 AM
CO-CHAIR MEYER said he appreciates Senator Davis's
recommendation for an amendment, but would like to hear from the
public first.
SENATOR OLSON noted that the $14,000 fiscal note seems quite low
for a large task force meeting every three months.
SENATOR STEVENS asked Mr. Lamkin to explain the fiscal note.
MR. LAMKIN explained that the fiscal note is based on the
assumption that there will be six meetings and two of them will
be teleconferenced. The institutions and agencies sending
representatives will pay their share of the cost for
participating in the task force, so the $14,000 reflects
primarily plane tickets for the chair persons of the Education
Committees and affiliated staff.
8:36:00 AM
CO-CHAIR MEYER said it appears that schools, particularly those
out of state, are trying to deal with their budget deficits on
the backs of the students, which he thinks is a serious mistake.
Tuition for colleges in California has gone up almost 15 percent
each year for the last couple of years and will probably
continue to do so. Also unfortunately, not many colleges are
accepting students on the Western Undergraduate Exchange (WUE)
program, so this subject is timely.
He opened the meeting to public testimony.
8:37:25 AM
CARL KRUEGER, Policy Analyst, Western Interstate Commission for
Higher Education (WICHE), Boulder, Colorado said he just got
back from Alaska where he was working with an ACPE project that
is using funds from the Access Challenge Grant to launch a peer-
mentoring pilot program. He hopes it will someday be in high
schools across state, but right now it is only in the Anchorage
School District. It is all about college readiness, particularly
for low income and first-generation students.
MR. KRUEGER continued, Arkansas is really the best model, but
there are a couple of other examples the committee might want to
look at. Tennessee's Developmental Redesign Initiative is a
collaboration between the Commissioner of Postsecondary
Education and six pilot institutions in the state; the focus is
to redesign the delivery of remedial education in the state to
cut down on the number of students who need it and the costs of
the program. Washington State wrote a college-readiness plan
into their master plan that also bears looking at. Lastly, the
California University system has something called an "Early
Assessment Program" that tests high school juniors in math and
science to see how they line up with college entrance
requirements. Those same students are allowed to work on any
deficiencies during their senior year, so by the time they enter
college they do not need any further remediation.
He stated that everyone at WICHE is fully in support of SB 221.
8:41:20 AM
CO-CHAIR MEYER thanked Mr. Krueger and said the sponsor or his
staff will be in touch to follow up on his recommendations.
8:41:47 AM
MARK HAMILTON, President, University of Alaska, Fairbanks,
Alaska, said he welcomes this kind of task force and can provide
an enormous amount of data. He knows some of the things that
improve college retention rates. One program is the Rural
Alaskan Honors Institute (RAHI) which allows high school
students to attend college during the summer for credit and has
been going on for 28 years. Attendance at that kind of a program
has proven to double students' chances of obtaining a degree. He
thinks they can do a very good job of helping the legislature
determine what magnitude of fiscal note will move them in the
right direction, because the University has introduced a student
success initiative for the last four years; although they
haven't gotten funding for it yet, they have defined the costs.
He stated that retention across the board in every category and
sub-category has improved for the past decade, so Alaska is now
last by less. He stressed that Alaska is very, very different in
its student body. In a comparison of classic first-time freshmen
directly out of high school, Alaska's retention rates to the
sophomore year are absolutely in line with the national average.
That tells him that Alaskan students are prepared pretty well.
MR. HAMILTON agreed with Senator Stevens that the biggest issue
regarding remediation is that individuals become frustrated when
they have to spend the first year or year and a half in college
taking remedial courses that don't get them any nearer to a
degree. The University considers remediation successful if the
student ultimately gets a C or better in the standard course. In
English, he said, they do pretty well, but math is a challenge;
if a student needs remediation in math the chance of getting a C
or better in math 107 is almost none. The key is preparation
early on.
8:49:03 AM
SENATOR OLSON thanked Mr. Hamilton and asked if those students
who aren't graduating in six years are more likely to be in
liberal arts or in sciences. He contended that 1 + 1 is always 2
and ought to be an easy concept, but dealing with English
grammar is not so clear-cut.
MR. HAMILTON insisted that the stumbling block in every state in
the nation is math.
8:51:36 AM
SENATOR OLSON mused that the U.S. system of measures with feet
and inches and fractions is harder to grasp than the metric
system. He asked Mr. Hamilton if he sees that as a factor.
8:52:27 AM
MR. HAMILTON responded that he has no information about that. He
admitted that he wishes the U.S. had made the conversion a long
time ago; he can barely handle centigrade to Fahrenheit himself.
8:53:04 AM
CO-CHAIR MEYER excused those members who have to attend other
meetings at 9:00 a.m.
8:53:52 AM
WENDY REDMAN, Executive Vice President, Statewide University,
Fairbanks, Alaska, said Statewide University has a lot of
experience teaching practical math successfully. A couple of the
highs schools including King Career Center and Hutchison Career
Center, have developed models to bring kids quickly up to the
state high school standards, so they know how to do it; it just
hasn't permeated the school system yet.
She stated that what educators want is for kids to come out of
school either college-ready or work-ready; the skills are the
same. While this bill is really focusing on college, with a few
tweaks it could focus on getting students work-ready as well.
She said she would like to see that kind of rhetorical change.
8:56:33 AM
JOHN ALCANTRA, Government Relations Director, NEA-Alaska,
Anchorage, Alaska, said they support SB 221 and thanked them for
hearing this legislation. He assured them that NEA will be happy
to pay their share of the cost to be involved.
8:57:58 AM
ELDON DAVIDSON, Executive Director, Southwest Alaska Vocational
and Education Center (SAVEC) expressed support for SB 221 and
agreed with the testimony by Wendy Redman and Mark Hamilton. He
suggested adding a rural component or regional training center
representative to the task force.
8:58:40 AM
DEB JOHNSTON, Dean of Administration and Finance, Alaska Pacific
University, Anchorage, Alaska, said they support bill and would
welcome the opportunity to participate. Alaska Pacific
University faces many of struggles that this legislation is
intended to address; many students require remediation even
though APU is not an open campus, particularly among first-time
and returning older adults.
KELLY SMITH, Dean of Students, Pacific University, Anchorage,
Alaska, said it is pretty clear that students are under
prepared. Being part of a statewide effort would help their
students and the interests of the state.
9:01:01 AM
CO-CHAIR MEYER closed public testimony and said he would hold SB
221 over and intends to take up amendments on Friday before
moving the bill out of committee.
9:03:04 AM
There being no further business to come before the committee,
Co-Chair Meyer adjourned the meeting at 9:03 a.m.
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